Fred,
After some deliberation, I regret to inform you that I will not be drafting an apology to Alice2.
I’ve reconsidered what I said; I still stand by it.
>>>Alright cool, so you led someone on with an apology, that's actually impressive. I've never heard of someone pulling that sorta shit before
>>>Pretty smart though, it gives the illusion that you're capable of changing your mind about something.
“Alice2 deserves the doxxing”.
The troubling nature of these words aren’t lost on me, Fred. I can see why you or anyone would take issue with it.
>>>No fucking shit, because it's insanely fucked up for anyone to ever think anything like that is ever ok.
If I cannot offer an apology to put your conscience at ease, perhaps an explanation will suffice.
>>>It absolutely will not suffice. No matter how you slice it, it's a pretty fucked up thing to say and believe.
I’m pessimistic that it’ll be satisfactory, because of her relation towards you. But cold comfort is better than zero attempt.
>>>It's not satisfactory because it's going to be an excuse as to why you're unapologetic for something that's objectively fucked.
The truth of the matter is that I actually like Alice2.
>>>Yet you said "Alice2 deserves the doxxing". Sure. Sure you do 2B. I like people and think they deserve to suffer in their personal lives too. Oh wait, no I don't
>>>Because I'm not a fucking lunatic.
Of course, there are several aspects to her personality and behavior that I find appalling; the very same could be said about me.
>>>I find this aspect of your personality pretty fucking appalling, so yeah, at least we agree here.
But looking at her in summation, I believe her to be a person of virtue.
>>>"A person of Virtue" that "deserves to be doxxed." Gotcha. Fuckin' air tight right there.
Have we disagreed in the past? Yes. Exchanged vitriol? You bet. Cursed each other’s name under our breath? I know I have.
>>>Yes but WHY? What has Alice DONE TO YOU PERSONALLY? Ever? Can you name ONE thing? What about something she's done to your friends? Can you name ONE thing?
Despite all this, I don’t wish any harm on her.
>>>You literally fucking said "Alice2 deserves doxxing" you fucking retard.
She’s a person just like anyone else. Limited, flawed, and misguided. But, personhood commands a baseline level of reverence. Another truth.
>>>You mean the reverence that someone shouldn't have their personal lives fucked up over petty internet bullshit? Yeah I agree. Oh wait lol
And part of that reverence entails that people shouldn’t suffer anymore than what is necessary.
>>>Than what is necessary? What the fuck? What has Alice done to deserve 'necessary' suffering? I sure hope this gets explained.
Therefore, I don’t believe that Alice2, as a person, deserves to endure needless suffering. Suffering brought on by the doxx.
>>>Then why the fuck did you literally say "ALICE 2 DESERVES DOXXING" This seems to run pretty contradictory to that statement. And this is your letter about NOT apologizing for that. Holy shit
A doxx that was performed by another hurt person, disseminated by other hurt people. Potentially reaching other people, who’s hurt has calcified into resentment.
>>>disseminated by other hurt people huh? Please tell me, How was Blu hurt? How was Dag hurt? How was Rory hurt? How was Jack hurt? In fact, explain to me how Enth and Mako were hurt.
>>>Blu was never hurt.
>>>Rory was never hurt
>>>Jack was never hurt
>>>Dag was hurt because he went on a sociopathic alcoholic rampage and felt fucked up about it afterword.
>>>Enth and Mako just got their facade exposed.
>>>If you think telling the truth about someone's lie is equivalent to the "hurt" of Doxxing someone, you're a fucking lunatic.
>>>Also very telling to me is that Dag is so far the only one that's offered a genuine apology.
These people don’t deserve to suffer anymore than Alice2 does. Third truth. Yet, they’ve been told that somehow, their suffering is lesser. Invalid. They have yet to receive apologies.
>>>again, what suffering have they endured? please fucking tell me. And I will say in all confidence that whatever perceived suffering they've endured IS in fact far lesser and invalid compared to a DOXXING.
>>>Tell me, what EXACTLY does alice have to apologize for? To any of them? What does alice need to say? Fucking fill in the blank. "I'm sorry for ________________ "
But I’m not here to demand apologies on their behalf. The eleventh hour has long since passed.
>>>Actually I wish you would, I wish you would articulate what apology they deserve, because right now it seems pretty nebulous.
All this, I lay on Alice2’s conscience. Whether it weighs heavy on her is indeterminate. If it doesn’t, it should. Crushingly.
>>>What should? What did she do wrong? You still haven't articulated what it is. Meanwhile we have a pretty concrete example of what you did. "Alice2 deserves the doxxing"
>>>I wonder if that weights down on you "crushingly"?
>>>Guessing the fuck not.
Because I’m of the mind that one should properly take responsibility for their actions. And no, taking responsibility does not include engaging in debate over the validity of other people’s feelings.
>>>You still haven't said what those actions are. I'm sure Alice will apologize once someone actually tells her what it is EXACTLY she should apologize for.
>>>It's pretty wild to me that you STILL haven't named something.
That very attitude that perpetuates the hurt, that causes others to suffer needlessly, the chiding, arrogance, unrepentance…
>>>No, the attitude that perpetuates hurt is shit like saying that someone deserves a dox, and then refusing to apologize for it and trying to justify it.
>>>Trying to justify fucked up shit is what perpetuates hurt, you fucking pretentious asshole.
It finally resolved a series of events to it’s inevitable, tragic conclusion. Which I hope is traumatic enough to Alice2 that it encourages change.
>>>So that's it huh? You won't apologize for saying what you said because you think it was necessary to "encourage change"
>>>What change? What change do you want to see? please fucking tell me, in this entire email you never say what alice did wrong or the change you want to see.
>>also "traumatic enough"? what the fuck is wrong with you?
However, it often comes to pass that people live their lives, paying their own price for living it.
>>>Yeah except Blu and Enth aren't paying for it. Guess it's not in your Jurisdiction to cast forth any judgement. Except you are with Alice for some reason.
>>>You know, the kind of judgement that compels someone to say "Alice2 deserved the doxxing"
And wouldn’t you know it? People pay dearly, often times for a single trait. They pay over and over…
>>>Ok now that we're at the end you still haven't fucking articulated why you won't apologize for saying something objectively fucked up.
>>>You just threw up some bullshit excuse that "other people" have suffered too, without explaining what it was exactly they suffered.
>>>If you really want to prevent this cycle of suffering or whatever the fuck, you could stop trying to justify some horrible shit you said and trying to validate it.
>>>Throw all the flowery bullshit around it that you want. At the end of the day you still said something fucked up and made up a nebulous excuse for it.
>>>So fuck you. You have a hand in my friend's suffering. You justify and defend the unjustifiable and indefensible actions of other people.
>>>And you know what? I don't think you deserve doxxing. I don't think any of them do.
>>>Funny how that works huh? You wrong us at every turn, and have the gall to say we deserve to suffer.
>>>Yet we haven't done a goddamn thing to you.
>>>So sincerely 2B, with all my heart, Go fuck yourself.