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“Don’t want people to know you are trying to patch things up with me?” Honestly Alice2, of what utility would that serve?
That’s a long-standing behavioral pattern I’ve noticed with you; your quickness to ascribe treachery when you don’t understand or disagree with someone’s intentions.
It doesn’t bode well with the perception that you’re a self-aggrandizing victim or martyr. Let me put your conscience at ease.
I plan on publishing these emails (unless you’d rather not have me). I merely consolidated our first few exchanges into one post and will release the others on a nightly basis.
And I’ve long since redacted Reaver’s email. If you want to take issue with me on it, take issue with yourself first. How many times have you published it to random anons?
At least I know who visits my blog and no doxing attempts have been made. Besides, I anticipate Reaver to have some sense to expunge personal info. So let’s not get hung up on this non-issue.
Please be more precise with your language. Your question, as you posed it, has the implication that I believe what daggy, Yui, and Anya did was right. That isn’t my position.
A more appropriate question is something like this: “What did I do to precipitate these actions, according to those who did them?”
Dags is easy enough. His role in the doxing occurred while he was experiencing a psychotic break. Even Kermit agrees with this viewpoint, so we don’t have to elaborate too much, on first inspection.
However if there just had to be some kind of reason, at least even in partial, for his involvement in the doxing, you extorting money from him is a good start.
I know for a fact that you obtained $300 from him under duress during one particular incident. Around or on January 10. There’s a PayPal receipt for it.
It has recently come to my attention that you offered to pay him back this $300. He declined. Do the right thing and pay him back anyway, so that this does not become a problem in the future.
But there’s more to it. I have a separate PayPal receipt from daggy for an additional $368.53 on November 17. Comment on that for me.
Furthermore, a personal memo reveals that you owe daggy something to the tune of $872.71. That leaves $204.18 unaccounted for. Any ideas? He has PayPal receipts for these too.
If this was not a gift, not payment for a valid product or service rendered onto him, then I suggest you pay him back in full. Preferably without harassment. Just be done with it.
So, going back to your question, as it pertains to daggy, extorting money from him is partial reason enough to motivate him to partake in a doxing aimed towards you.
It isn’t the whole reason; the envy you mentioned is part of it, the frustration and guilt you placed on his shoulders is another. He’s told me himself. People can be motivated by a multitude of reasons.
That should be sufficient basis for you to answer my first question.
While you’re at it, you might want to revisit the conversations between you and daggy, with my second question in mind. You can still answer that one for me, can’t you?
Now, let’s talk Yui. Her motivation for her participation in the doxing is likely multi-faceted as well. She claims that you mistreated her, ridiculed her, etc.
A lot of it seems petty, right? I certainly think some of it is. But to dismiss it would be a mistake, as it’s not implausible that there could be a cumulative effect that would build resentment over time.
Something to keep in mind, in our analysis. But I’m not going to ask you to procure Yui’s entire chat history at aneki. We don’t have the time for that.
Instead, let’s focus on one incident which, I think you can acquire the chat logs.
Namely, the incident Kermit mentioned (reference post ID: 20180403). The one in which you presented Yui with a research paper: https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that in and of itself. In fact, I think it’s admirable that you keep up-to-date with the literature and share it with your friends.
You know just as well as I do that someone’s trans status is no trivial matter. It might even be the focal point of their lives; it certainly isn’t something to be so cavalier with.
That is, I’m operating under the assumption that we’re both sufficiently empathic enough to understand their life circumstances, and have sufficient, sincere concern in trying to help those in our chats.
If you’d so kindly, please procure the chat log of that conversation between you and Yui for our discussion.
As for Anya, I’m willing to concede that one to you. I don’t know what are the exact reasons behind why she participated in this doxing and I’m not willing to approach her about it.
But here I have before me the other side of the interaction. Alice2. Any idea why she lashed out against you like that? Do you sincerely think that you’re of zero fault here?
Not just the things that you might have done intentionally to harm someone. Perhaps there was something that had unintended consequences? We can hypothesize without knowing every single detail.
Put aside your bias, put aside your ego, for the sake of growth so that you might treat people better in the future. There must have been something; friends don’t turn on each other for no good reason.
I didn’t mean to insinuate that the two were mutually exclusive, that this entire thing is about disagreeing on fundamental matters or that this involves peoples lives.
It’s obvious that it involves both. Though, I’d argue there’s a disproportionate amount of consideration towards a subset of a few over others.
Reaver and his family? I cannot do anything for them. You, however, we can still work together to try to make sure this kind of thing doesn’t happen again.
But to do that, we need to establish accountability, but that’s why we’re having this discussion. To sort it out, even if just a little.
If you’re willing to put me in the same league of Eva or Bern, then either they were much more decent than I had them pinned for, or you have me pinned entirely wrong.
I don’t think either one of them would have entertained yours or Kermit’s emails and demands as much as I have. Much less in good humor.
To address your final point, I just went through all my emails from January. I don’t see anything that indicates that daggy directly threatened Reaver’s family.
Closest I could find was a series of screenshots in which daggy was leaking information in a coded fashion, and a threat to you, directly.
If you still want to push the matter, please provide me with the screenshots in question and I can clarify for you.
The people that know me best know that I’m not particularly closed-minded. I hope you can come to see that.
-2B
P.S. If I wanted to talk to Nyan, I’d have emailed Nyan. You and I are the ones speaking. Please send me the list or I’ll have no choice but to dismiss it as a baseless accusation of inconsistency.
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