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Kermit,

Here are those clarifications you wanted. I’ll forgo the flowery elements and defer to a semi-formal structure to aid you in understanding.
Also, by no means are these propositions being asserted as absolute truth. You’re free to agree/disagree.

Proposition 01:

01.) Alice2 is a person.
02.) People are flawed.
03.) Therefore Alice2 is flawed.

This one is a mere formality. If we cannot come to a consensus about this, then I fear there isn’t much to talk about.


Proposition 02:

01.) There is suffering in the world.
02.) Some of it is necessary and/or unavoidable.
03.) Some of it is unnecessary and/or avoidable.
04.) Most of the unnecessary and/or avoidable is caused by people’s flaws.
05.) Unnecessary and/or avoidable suffering is not strictly reflexive, but can affect others.

Calm yourself. Before you get up in arms over Premise 02, think about it. Sacrificing for a larger accomplishment, the wisdom that comes with failure, loss. Some suffering is necessary and/or unavoidable.


Proposition 03:

01.) People may be aware or unaware of their flaws.
02.) Of the flaws that they are aware, they should seek to correct, or at the very least take into consideration.
03.) Of the flaws that they are unaware, they should have an open mind towards healthy criticism and introspection.
04.) In both cases, the responsibility for whatever troubles those flaws may bring to themselves or others, lays solely with them.

I think you and I can agree on this, for the most part.


Proposition 04:

01.) Humans are subjective, experiential beings.
02.) Suffering is a human phenomenon.
03.) Thus, suffering contains both an objective and a subjective, experiential element.
04.) The objective elements typically include factual events and their causal relationship to each other.
05.) The subjective elements typically include the reaction to said events.

This one shouldn’t be terribly hard to understand. Example: breaking a leg is an objective element of suffering. Pain threshold is the subjective element and informs the magnitude of suffering.


In the spirit of Proposition 02 and Proposition 03 I still maintain that “Alice2 deserved the doxing.”.
Perhaps the wording is what you have issue with, but I doubt saying “Alice2 provoked the doxing and as such bears some responsibility for her own suffering.” would sit well with you either.
Please try to understand that I am not trying to make Alice2 out to be someone that deserves nothing but terrible things to happen to her.
But in this case, she really had done this to herself. I know that to you, as her friend, to see me say that is fairly upsetting. I’m sorry but I cannot offer much else but my own explanation.

>>>disseminated by other hurt people huh? Please tell me, How was Blu hurt? How was Dag hurt? How was Rory hurt? How was Jack hurt? In fact, explain to me how Enth and Mako were hurt.
>>>Blu was never hurt.
>>>Rory was never hurt
>>>Jack was never hurt
>>>Dag was hurt because he went on a sociopathic alcoholic rampage and felt fucked up about it afterword.
>>>Enth and Mako just got their facade exposed.

Proposition 04 applies here.
Look, I’m not a huge fan of the overly-sensitive types. Generally, people could stand to have thicker skins and let petty things go.
However, I don’t try to define what’s petty or not for other people, simply because I’m not entirely informed of their life’s circumstances. I have enough humility in that regard.
Fact of the matter is, some of these people feel genuinely hurt, and it generated a fair amount of resentment as a consequence.

But as I said before, it’s too late for apologies. Things have already spiraled out of control, and the damage has been done. Things cannot be made right.
All of this lobbying for apologies at this present moment? Entirely pointless.
I’ve already made my recommendations to Alice2 that she sever ties with Anya, Mako, Yui, and daggy. Fully.
Plus I’ve suggested that maybe, moving forward, she not act with such conceit. It certainly wouldn’t give people reason to dislike her.

>>>Yes but WHY? What has Alice DONE TO YOU PERSONALLY? Ever? Can you name ONE thing? What about something she's done to your friends? Can you name ONE thing?

I don’t appreciate her treatment towards Louise, but unfortunately, Louise allows it to persist. That’s one thing.

My instinct tells me that my efforts in clarification will be parodied by you. It may just very well be in your nature to be a jester and a provocateur. Hope you prove me wrong.

-2B

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