Hey 2B!
I could very easily go with Parody, but I'll stick with being as direct as possible and "insolent" where warranted.
First of all, this entire first half of your reply, This proposal mess?
I don't fucking need it. It doesn't enhance or further your argument in any way.
Literally don't even give a fuck about it, I'm gonna level with you.
These aren't the clarifications I wanted. This is some bullshit formal argumentation causality shit I don't need.
What I ACTUALLY wanted from you was your explanation on
1.) What you think Alice did to the people that want to harm her
2.) Why you think she deserves it
“Alice2 deserved the doxing.”
and
“Alice2 provoked the doxing and as such bears some responsibility for her own suffering.”
I need justification for these two statements.
As for the latter half of your Email, I absolutely agree. I'm sure people FEEL certain things. Maybe they even FEEL as though Alice deserved to be punished.
But let's step back for a minute:
Alice and I have a mutual acquaintance. A person that used to go by "Bernkastel"
They had a phrase they used to use quite frequently.
"Feels ain't Reals".
It's a pretty good sentiment. Just because someone feels a certain way, doesn't necessarily mean it's justified or grounded in any sort of reality.
You see I'm sure a good chunk of the people I've mentioned (and you've defended) FEEL wronged. But that doesn't mean they actually WERE wronged.
And as a virtue of that, they WEREN'T justified in their actions, and Alice doesn't DESERVE suffering as a consequence.
I'm actually pretty fucking disappointed you didn't go with each of them on a case by case basis, trying to justify their actions.
Which is what you SHOULD be doing instead of this "They feel bad so it's ok" bullshit you're trying to feed me.
See the thing is, I actually know their justifications.
I can also prove why all of it is a load of horse shit.
Let's start with Enth. Vert, Aegis, Anya
Whatever the fuck she's calling herself now.
https://pastebin.com/4KZnhF9c
Take a gander at this pastebin. It's from when Fred confronted her about attempting to Dox Alice and spreading it around.
Herein lies her justification for her actions:
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Hoss Delgado - 01/12/2018
did you ever apologize to Alice for doxxing Reaver?
Anya - 01/12/2018
Did Alice ever apologise for basically doing the same to Mako?
Hoss Delgado - 01/12/2018
how did she dox mako?
by saying that she was Kamina?
Anya - 01/12/2018
How did she find that out, I wonder?
Some of her personal information was revealed to alice, which is what alice used
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You see this line of thought? This ASSUMPTION Enth is making? The theory that there was some sort of conspiracy to randomly gather dox information on Makoto? That she MAY have spread it around to other people?
It's bullshit.
It's provably false.
https://i.imgur.com/AUkMQqd.png
Dag literally just flat out fucking told me, quoting Kamina herself.
All fruit born of this tree Enth has constructed in her fucking mind palace is invalid. The conclusions drawn from it are utterly flawed at conception.
But hey, I gave you a timeline with those logs a loooong time ago, so you should already fucking know this.
Whatever Enth has told anyone else? This theory of hers? Any resentment anyone feels over it?
Automatically unjustified and invalid. Just like fuckin' that.
Her feelings are unjustified and not rooted in reality.
Let's move on to Rory, since he's one of the original FIVE fucking people that were in on this dox.
https://i.imgur.com/F99xAWF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZkkLNcW.jpg
Linked above is the full context of him spreading it to Jack.
In it, he mentions that "5 other people" know about the dox. He also makes up some complete and utter lie that there was some sort of love triangle going on between Mako, Enth and Alice. Which is fuckin' fish with tits nonsense.
Though I would love to see even a fucking SHRED of proof about that.
But hey, maybe you wouldn't? I mean after all you've been approaching this whole thing without any evidence at all. Just a vague notion that feelings are more important than factual information.
But I digress.
We got a guy here lying, or under the completely wrong impression over what happened.
His feelings are unjustified and not rooted in reality.
Now I'd like to jump on to Blu, or Yui as she's calling herself now.
Dear sweet Blu....
I'd like to take you for a walk down memory lane, back when all of this shit first hit the fan.
Because in these logs, we can discover the key for Blu's motivations and justifications over why she's contributed to this doxxing effort.
(12:02:19) Blu: Well by that logic, I'll just go by my guy username, shall I?
(12:02:30) Blu: because clearly I can't change my name and I can't get away from "who I was"
(12:02:43) Kermit: Blu: the difference was, you were always Blu in here
(12:02:47) Angelic: @blu yeah well youre not a former member of the community
(12:03:40) Blu: She changed A LOT, and this is her new identity
(12:03:52) Blu: Also, Kamina is a male name and she might not be comfortable going by that anymore?
(12:03:53) Kermit: Blu you didn't even fucking know mako before
(12:04:07) Blu: I know Mako how she is now. That's all that matters.
(12:24:29) Blu: So are you gonna call me by my birth name?
(12:24:45) Hououin_Kyouma: Why would i do that?
(12:24:47) Angelic: this isnt even related to anything transgender
(12:24:51) Hououin_Kyouma: ^
(12:24:54) Angelic: this is literally a flat out lie lol
(12:24:56) Hououin_Kyouma: like seriously
(12:25:12) Hououin_Kyouma: You are missing the point blu
As you can see here, to Blu, this entire ordeal was rooted in some sort of made up anti-transgender campaign.
Once again we have a poisonous tree taking root in someone's mind palace. This is despite the fact that people were there telling her directly that her perception of reality was fucking wrong.
And also, funnily enough, Kamina herself contradicting this.
(11:57:57) Kamina: Now, to be fair, I am trans. But I suppose that's a non-issue here
(12:50:47) Kamina: I fucking ditched Kamina, he's fucking dead. The reason I didn't say that is because I AM NOT KAMMINA ANYMORE! Kamina was an asshole, selfish, obsesssed, fucking narrow minded, a cunt, power hungry, and just unpleasant to be around
The last quote is something I actually showed Alice back when we had our own arguments about this. I recommend you check your records if you want to verify that nugget for yourself.
So we have Blu, under the delusional impression that Alice had done something wrong against Kamina by virtue of her being transgender.
What does Blu decide to do? How does she contribute to this whole clusterfuck?
https://imgur.com/a/R3XLA
Take a long hard look at those fucking logs. Please pardon the partial censorship, I'd rather not be a party to spreading a Dox on one of Alice's friends even further.
You can see her there, laughing, taking glee at the prospect of fucking up someone's life.
This sort of behavior is utterly repugnant and frankly despicable. But we're dealing with facts, not feelings here, right?
Take a gander at these logs from an earlier conversation with Shiki
[22:15:45] Rachel: I asked them to reveal it because I want Alice to go down in flames
[22:15:57] Rachel: But they refused
[22:16:15] Matej: If that is what you thought I think we're done here then. I'm sorry.
[22:16:19] Rachel: I also found a lot of information and made several connections, which I won't reveal
[22:16:47] Rachel: Alice is a parasite. That is all.
Now with all that we've seen and know, can you honestly fucking say that Blu was AT ALL justified in this?
Or even that her "Feels were reals?"
Fuck no, that's a rhetorical question.
You see, the crazy thing about all of this is...
Even without this mountain of evidence proving my case, just taking things at face value?
What they did was fucked up anyway. Enth had no proof for any of her claims. Blu had Kamina contradicting her literally while it was happening.
They made a conscious choice to try to FUCK up someone's life with a Dox, crossing a line that should NEVER be crossed, over things they THINK happened.
As for Dag, he's already acknowledged that his feelings were invalid because he was off his medication and drinking heavily.
I have my own problems with him for sure. So does Alice. Being drunk and fucked up isn't a justification.
But at least he's sobered up and apologized and is trying to better himself. Which is more than what I can say for anyone else involved in this.
Certainly more than what I can say about you.
The weight of trying to DOX someone Vs, these insanely petty grievances...?
It's not a justification.
Alice never brought any of this on herself.
You're absolutely full of shit.
If you're somehow under the impression that Alice changing Makoto's name to "Kamina" in the chat for a day is a justification for an attempted Dox.
You're absolutely full of shit AND out of your fucking mind.
You said before that it's too late and pointless for apologies.
However, it isn't pointless and it isn't too late for you.
You can still apologize for trying to justify a DOX on someone who didn't deserve it.
Hell, Alice might even accept it. She's a good person.