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Kermit,
------- In what way did Alice2 wrong
Anya, Yui, and daggy? -------
As I’ve told Fred, I delayed mentioning
what specifically Alice2 did to upset Anya, Yui, and daggy, to prevent any
chance for misunderstanding.
I wanted to get clear and concise
statements directly from those involved, rather than submit my own personal
conjecture.
Here are their responses:
It’s safe to say that none of them want
anything more to do with this.
As such, I’ll be respecting their wishes
and will no longer pester them about this. I suggest you and everyone in aneki
do that same.
This response is likely not going to bode
well with you.
Of course they want nothing to do with
this, right? They committed the crime, got away relatively scot-free, and are
happily living out their wretched little lives.
Meanwhile, your good friend Alice2 is
still suffering. Suffering that was brought on by their reprehensible acts.
They OUGHT to answer for it. They owe her
an apology, if they truly do regret what they have done.
That particular side of the issue isn’t
lost on me, Kermit. I hope that you do realize that I’m sympathetic to your
viewpoint.
If I weren’t, and I need to preface this
by mentioning that I’m saying this will all the humility I can muster, I
wouldn’t have bothered with our correspondence.
But by that same token, I ask that you
consider Anya, Yui, and daggy’s position as well. For the sake of everyone
involved.
So that maybe, this entire ordeal isn’t a
complete failure. We can prevent such a thing from happening again in the
future.
The fact of the matter is that Anya, Yui,
and daggy felt wronged enough to dox Alice2.
You maintain that they were not
justified, because their grievances are not based in reality. Most (if not
all?) of their issues with Alice2 were illusory, stemming from something else.
I also maintain that they were not
justified, but in the strictest sense of the word: they did not act in a way
that was ‘correct’ or lawful. However, I don’t believe most of their issues
were illusory.
I’ll admit, the way that they handled it
was awful. But I also maintain that the way Alice2 treated them was awful. She
could’ve certainly handled the situation better.
Could you please at least concede a
little bit of ground here with my assertion that Alice2 treated them cruelly?
Here’s my case.
Recollect the Makoto incident, where she
changed the names in the chat. You brought it up, and I think that was
certainly one of the ways Alice2 wronged Anya and Mako. Lets go with that.
On the surface, the simple act of
changing a name in a chat room for a day doesn’t seem to warrant participation
in a dox. That’s what you were trying to indicate. Objectively, true.
I implore you to revisit Alice2’s post,
‘Shark Fin Soup’. You’ll quickly get the notion that perhaps there was more to
it than first impressions reveal.
Alice2 recognizes in this post that the
act was fairly loaded: 'I connected their past and present.’ were her exact
words. Not exactly a matter to take so lightly.
I know you don’t care much for flowery
language, but think about it for a second. It’s still true, isn’t it?
By outing Mako as Kamina, she undid any
new ground Mako might have gained under a new identity and reinserted all
perceptions of her as Kamina, memories good and bad, back into the minds
around.
Of course, you and I could be callous and
dismiss any negative affect that might be a result of all this. We get this
luxury; we’re not the ones being outed afterall.
Compassion comes into play. It is all we
got. It’s what enables someone like me, to care about your concerns, as
pertaining to your good friend Alice2.
Mako was concerned with a fresh start.
That was unceremoniously stripped from her. For what? An ideology that dictates
that you are your past? It isn’t hard to see why she’d be upset.
There’s really too much to address; it
cannot be understated that the incident was anything else other than ‘simple.’
However, I do think if you took the time
out to consider their position, you could manage to find some real offense that
might have occurred.
That’s what I’m getting at here, Kermit.
Nothing is ever quite that simple. It isn’t as clear-cut as you’d make it out
to be, as you’d like to believe it to be. I wish it were.
Moreover, we cannot reasonably dictate who
gets to take offense at what, to what magnitude, and whether it’s valid or not,
with few exceptions.
How arrogant can you be to think you can
act as if you’re the end-all, be-all judge as to what people should value or
dismiss? You don’t get to determine that.
Simply because people value different
things. A debutante with a fortune ought not to look down on the beggar and
tell him that his concerns over money are invalid.
Sure, you can assert that people’s
actions are unjustified. Because you judge in accordance to whatever ethic you
subscribe to. We have to be able to do that in order to maintain some form of
law.
But that’s about as far as you can
reasonably go. Anything more would be overreaching boundaries.
It is fact that people behave irrationally.
It must be accounted for. Someone with the expressed desire to help others must
reflect that consideration in their actions.
People are not disembodied, perfect
logic. You can impose that standard on yourself and others to act that way, but
be prepared to be disappointed time and time again.
Whether we like it or not, we have to
take into account some feelings and some measure of subjectivity. You’d be a
fool to think you can deal with people successfully, otherwise.
And that is what partially informs my
bleak outlook on all of this. For seven years now the same pattern has played
out again, infallibly.
It is why I don’t fault Anya, Yui, and
daggy for no longer wishing to even entertain the thought of an apology from
Alice2. They’ve lost faith in her.
Because they know all too well that
Alice2 hasn’t changed. She hasn’t learned. There is no consideration towards
subjectivity, only a misguided insistence on objectivity, invalidity, and
absolutes.
There is an extraordinarily low chance
that a tidy resolution will come of all this. Furthermore, the damage is done;
it’s too late for apologies. To insist on them would be for levity or
pettiness.
Then, 2B? What is it that you want me to
do? If you see how we handle things as being so insufficient, what do you
recommend? Have such extreme foresight to anticipate the worst in others?
Well, yes and no. As I’ve said before
there is true malevolence around (ie Jack and Nevada). These people WOULD harm
you for simply being rude to them.
Acknowledge that and act accordingly.
Don’t be an idiot. If you continue to ignore this, you do so at your own peril
and I will maintain you deserve the misfortune that lands at your feet as a
consequence.
As for normal, scrupulous people, don’t
subordinate their values to your own ideology; if you make mockery of what
people hold dear, they act savagely. Don’t give them a reason to be unethical.
So, a quick recap:
Alice2 treated Anya, Yui, daggy in a
manner that was awful.
Anya, Yui, and daggy were significantly
offended enough respond in kind. They doxed her.
They were not justified in their actions.
But they responded in accordance to whatever slight they perceived.
This is appropriate. Sub-optimal,
wretched, and all too human, but appropriate nonetheless.
-------‘Alice2 deserved to be
doxed’-------
Fred mentioned the very same thing to me
as well. Victim-blaming. Aside from virtue signaling and an attempt at
character assassination, what’s your point?
There is a reason why victimology is a
real field of study. Because matters of responsibility, accountability, crime,
and victimhood are complex matters.
Yes, Alice2 is a victim of an unethical
act. Yes, I think she is partially responsible for it. To a degree, she had
brought it on to herself.
It’s an opinion. Agree/disagree, think
what you will of it. You don’t have to talk to me, that’s fine. This whole
discussion was done out of courtesy to you and Fred anyway.
But I’m not going to apologize for it; I
still stand by what I said.
There is still culpability on both sides;
there are no perfect innocents in this scenario.
In her ‘Shark Fin Soup’ post, she
mentioned that she made a decision that ‘isn’t one without consequence’,
closing with ‘But it’s one I can live with’.
I could not agree more. I intend to hold
her to it, even if no one else will.
I’m reminded of one of Alice2’s favorite
maxims: ‘Cruel to be kind.’
I’ve always liked it, and acknowledged
the great amount of truth to it. Yet there was always some issue I had with it.
The abuse potential is much too high.
It allows for true cruelty under the
guise of kindness. What is the limit to such cruelty? Who gets to decide that?
It certainly isn’t for the target to decide, is it?
Sure enough, it is. To those who believe
in the maxim, that one must be cruel to be kind, I offer the caveat: expect
cruelty, in kind.
-2B
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