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Kermit,
Are you done nit-picking? ‘Would you
accept Alice’s apology?’ isn’t even the question I asked.
It was fairly obvious that I was gauging
interest of even engaging in dialogue with Alice2. Notice that I was positing a
hypothetical, not an absolute in my question.
With Yui and daggy, I had to elaborate,
and even then I mentioned that it was an opportunity for an apology, provided
that they fulfill the conditions of listing their grievances. This is fair.
But, as it shows, they want nothing to do
with Alice2 at all. Period. Understand that.
No one wants Alice2’s apologies. They’re
meaningless at this point. You’re truly the only one pushing for this. I never
even asserted that Alice2 should apologize to Anya, Yui, and daggy.
Interpret their apathy towards it as you
will. I’d imagine your thoughts being as ‘Because they know they can’t make a
real case for why they were wronged.’ Something like that.
Another alternative, one I’m more
inclined to believe, is because they’ve tried to talk it out with her in the
past, and it turned out to be futile. Even Fred confirmed this.
If that is true, they’ve every right to
decline talking to her or even entertaining an apology. Nobody wants to waste
anymore of their time.
So that question? ‘What did Alice2 do to
Anya, Yui, and daggy?’. Getting a direct statement from them is off the table.
If Alice2 wants to hash it out with
either one of those three, she could. It’s their business, not ours.
However, for the purposes of complying
with your requests, I can now in good conscience offer my own conjecture.
Just to be clear, we can dismiss daggy,
correct? It’s mutually agreed upon that he wasn’t sound of mind when he did
this. The focus on Anya/Mako and Yui.
------- Yui -------
First, I’d like to discard your false
dichotomy, that either Yui lashed out in response to mistreatment OR she
conducted it out of boredom.
Well, CLEARLY it’s both. In a few
sentences preceding your presentation of this dichotomy, you state that Yui
said the she ‘Wanted to see Alice burn’.
That’s a clear indication of malice in
intent, which, I argue is bred from how she was treated. Yui’s own words,
demonstrated by Fred’s records, confirms it was also out of curiosity/boredom.
Again, the issue is nuanced and
multivariate, Kermit. This doxing is likely not attributable to a single factor
or incident, but several. Please keep that in mind.
That being said, I’d like to share this
screenshot of part of a conversation I had with Yui not too long ago:
Here, Yui describes some of the
mistreatment at the hands of Alice2. Sure, you can dismiss it and say ‘There
are no specific incidents of wrong-doings.’ But that’s not what I’m arguing.
I’m arguing that a lot of the resentment
Yui feels towards Alice2 does not originate from a singular, grand incident,
but several minute ones.
Yui mentions having her transition and
career aspirations sharply criticized. To me or you, who do not value such
things, we do not see what the issue is.
But to Yui, who DOES care about these
things, well…they’re going to have some kind of effect. And the effect was
significant enough that she had to bring it up with her therapist.
And thank goodness she did. Because her
therapist indicated what I couldn’t put into words for so long. Alice2 is a
bully, plain and simple.
It isn’t just Yui that maintains this
either; several can testify. Most of them aren’t around anymore (thank
goodness), but there are a few lingering about. Some of them are even among her
friends.
You mentioned fundamental attribution
error: undue emphasis on internal characteristics of another person, rather
than external factors.
I’m inclined to think that, given this is
a reoccurring problem with Alice2, and it has happened with so many people,
that I am correct in indicating some internal characteristic.
As I hinted at before, I’m not one for
this culture of weakness that is often associated with cyberbullying. People
could stand to toughen the hell up.
But keep in mind that Alice2 operates in
a domain that includes vulnerable populations. Yui, Anya/Mako, and daggy all
fall into this group.
I cannot attribute her behavior to
ignorance; she knows all of this, yet she has proven time and time again to be
tactless and irresponsible.
Granted, I think some of what could be
construed as harshness on her part is necessary, but there is a point where ego
and cruelty supersedes the well-being of others.
If this screenshot isn’t sufficient
enough for you, for you to even consider the possibility that Alice2 wronged
Yui in some manner, then I have very little hope that there is any convincing
you at all.
Because, in order to fulfill what I
presume to be your criteria of ‘evidence’, and hand-picking some isolated
incidents of Alice2 wronging Yui, we’d have to comb through anekichat logs.
I’m not sure if you’re up for that. I’m
not even sure if you’re capable of that, given your indifference towards
anyone’s suffering other than Alice2’s.
It’s your chat, you keep the records, so
it’s your call to make.
You can maintain that what Yui felt was
invalid, for any number of incidents. And I’ll grant that; clearly Yui can be
mistaken, reactive, and grandiose at times. She’s not perfect.
But past a certain point it appears
delusional on your part, suggesting that perhaps you think Alice2 can do no
wrong.
------- Anya/Mako -------
I took a few moments to review what
happened with the Makoto incident, and I’m a little more sympathetic towards
the decision, all things considered.
I wasn’t aware of the previous things
Mako had done. Alice2 had every right to rid the chat of someone she believed
to be endangering the others.
However, I still have my reservations
with how she handled it. It wasn’t as poor as I initially thought, but it
could’ve been handled better.
I’m not going to tell Alice2 how to run
her chat, but I’m of the mind that she could’ve done without the theatrics
altogether, and resort to a simple ban.
Afterall safety of other members was the
paramount concern here, right?
But to criticize the decision at this
point is utterly futile. It’s done, and it brought out the worst in Anya and
Mako.
------- ‘Alice2 deserved to be doxed’
-------
Two degrees in criminology? I never knew
that about you, Kermit. It’s sort of comforting to know that you’re a
credentialed scholar and are relatively well-read and informed.
But that also makes my expectations of
you all the more loftier.
Let me remind you that criminal justice
is an ever-evolving field, just like any other academic subject. There is a
constant flux of new data, theories being reformulated, and new ones developed.
There are a few central pillars to any
field that are unanimously agreed upon, sure. But I’m afraid that your
indication that victimology is absolute does not fit into that corpus.
As it turns out, victimology is a fairly
controversial field. It isn’t as unanimously agreed upon, as you would have me
to believe. I’m not as ‘rong’ as you’d like to think I am.
If I were, then explain to me why there
are such theories as ‘Victim Precipitation Theory’, ‘Routine Activity Theory’,
and ‘Lifestyle Theory’?
I took quite an interest in Victim Precipitation
Theory, attributed to Marvin Wolfgang, a celebrated criminologist. I should
thank you for that, for introducing me to a new, interesting idea.
Maybe the theory wasn’t part of the
curriculum in your victimology classes? Could also be that you had simply
forgotten. Intellectual dishonesty? In any case, a quick refresher:
Victim Precipitation Theory posits that,
in certain scenarios, victims themselves behave or initiate confrontations such
that the offender is provoked, precipitating into an attack on the victim.
The context of this assertion came from
Dr. Marvin Wolfgang’s analysis of homicide cases in Philadelphia, noting that
in several cases, altercations were initiated due to actions of the would-be
victim.
This leads to the conclusion that, criminal
acts, the victim is not entirely blameless and innocent. Often times the
victim’s actions provide criminal motivation to the offender.
There are two classifications of
precipitations: active and passive. Intuitively, they’re what they sound like. Active
is when the victim knowingly provokes, passive when he or she is provoking,
unaware.
Moreover, I came across this paper,
published in The International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative
Criminology:
If you’d turn your attention to the
bottom of page 460, top of 461, under the header of ‘Situation-Oriented
Theories’, you’ll find the following passage:
It is occasionally misinterpreted as
victim coresponsibility, responsibility assignment, and blaming the victim
(Krahé, 1989). The dynamic, interactionist perspective of victim precipitation
does not, however, appraise victim behavior. In this kind of interpretation
model, there is no room for normative or value judgments such as guilt or
responsibility (Fattah, 1994, p. 96).The model ultimately
describes only the misinterpretation of
victim behavior by the offender. The illusionary misinterpretation of the
situation by the offender, which is evoked by the victim’s behavior
(Michaelis-Arntzen, 1994), is merely a substantiation of rape-supporting
stereotypes in the rape situation. The concept of victim precipitation, which
is based on the theory of symbolic interaction and which does not in any way
dispense the offender of his exclusive responsibility, thus only marks the
application of social structural theory and cognitive social learning theory in
the rape situation. The denial of an offender-victim relationship in the rape
situation and of a potential victim precipitation reinforces the questionable
proposition that rape is an uncontrollable event and that the victim cannot
take any preventive action (Heath & Davidson, 1988). This promotes the
learned helplessness of the potential rape victim who refrains from developing
self-protection measures, because of their assumed futility, and succumbs to
his or her fearful, self-defined, victim attitude.
I’m recapping VPT and mentioning this
passage to make two points:
First, I revise my statement. Alice2
precipitated her own doxing. I still have my personal value judgments on the
matter, but you need not concern yourself with those.
Second, this passage ties back neatly
with my recommendations to Alice2 to reevaluate her behavior, so that this kind
of thing doesn’t happen again.
I’d maintain that she was actively
precipitating, by chiding on Jack and co. and being purposefully condescending.
But perhaps there are character flaws she’s truly not aware of? Might very well
be passive.
It is the viewpoint of several others
that she plays the victim too readily. Is this a form of learned helplessness?
Maybe this could change that.
Although I find this theory fascinating,
it isn’t without it’s critics. See? Told you victimology was controversial and
not as clear-cut.
I offer you this other paper I’ve found,
from The Criminal Justice Review:
I couldn’t access it because I’m not on
campus this week, but I invite you to read it.
Why would I want you to do that? Well,
because that’s what true intellectual honesty is. Addressing both sides of the
argument, even attempting to bolster the opposing side.
So far, I’m not convinced you’ve been
doing me the same courtesy. You’ve only tried to obfuscate the existence of
another position, contrary to your own, by asserting absolutes. Make up for it.
But I guess according to you we should
always prepare for the worst from people.
You should. Idealists get sorted out
rather quickly by the world.
It is funny though, despite everything
they tried to do to her: We never for one moment considered doxxing them in
return.
And I believe you wouldn’t, neither you
nor Alice2. As I said before, I believe her to be virtuous, perhaps you as
well.
-2B
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